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Windows 8 Release Preveiw (Build 8400 discussion)
« on: June 01, 2012, 10:28:19 AM »
Here is the discussion thread for the Release Preview of Windows 8.

So far installed it on my ASUS laptop and it's going rather well. No problems yet.
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Multiple monitors on Windows 8 Release Preview: better, but still rough
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2012, 05:33:09 PM »
The Consumer Preview of Windows 8 had a number of rough edges in its user interface, and Microsoft promised to address at least some of them in the Release Preview. The most prominent unpleasantness with the Consumer Preview was the handling of multimonitor systems, and specifically the interaction with the hot corners. The work done for the Release Preview makes the experience better, but some concerns remain.
 
To recap briefly: the Start screen is invoked by clicking in the bottom-left corner of the screen, the app switcher by moving the mouse to either left-hand corner and then vertically toward the center of the screen, and the charms by moving to either right-hand corner and then vertically toward the center of the screen.
 
In the Consumer Preview, only the corners of the "primary" screen—the one with the Start screen—were hot. However, in multimonitor settings, this made those corners very difficult to hit: the mouse cursor had to be positioned on the exact corner, without slipping over into the adjacent screen.
 
The Release Preview makes some alterations to this system. First, every screen corner is now hot; switching between apps, invoking the charms, or visiting the Start screen can be done from any monitor. Second, it has six-pixel corner traps on the screen edges, so that if the cursor is in the hot spot, it can't so easily slip out: pushing the mouse in the direction of the hot spot leaves it trapped.


Even with a Metro app on the middle screen, we can bring up the task switcher on the left-hand screen...


... or the charms on the right-hand screen.
While extensive use of the Release Preview has not yet been possible, it's clear that these changes are a step in the right direction. The corner traps make it easier to get the mouse into the right spot in the corner. They're not so large that they'll trip up the cursor during deliberate movements between screens; they're just enough to make the corners a little more forgiving. Getting to the hotspot is still going to be easer on a single-screen system, but it's no longer the exercise in frustration that it was in the Consumer Preview.
 
However, that's only addressing half the problem. The vertical movements used by the task switcher and charms bar are still troublesome. Consider two screens side-by-side. The cursor is on the left-hand screen, and the user wishes to invoke the charms bar. The easiest way to do this is to push the mouse up, to the top of the screen (where the screen edge forms a natural barrier) and then right, to the corner.

The trap will stop the cursor falling onto the right-hand screen, so progress has been made relative to the Consumer Preview. But then the problem: when moving the cursor down, if the mouse has any rightward momentum at all, it will still be enough to carry the cursor into the next screen, preventing the charms from appearing. The vertical edge doesn't extend more than six pixels from the corner, so unless the mouse movement is straight down, with not even a hint of left or right motion, the charms or task switcher won't appear. Single monitor users, in contrast, can continue to push the mouse right, to keep the cursor glued against the screen edge.
 
As a result, while single-screen users can make an easy, continuous, sweeping gesture to invoke these features, multimonitor users will still have to take some care.
 
The decision to make all corners hot has its pros and cons too. It certainly reduces the amount of mousing around that is required, and that is certainly convenient. But some of the behavior is a little disconcerting. Again, consider two screens side-by-side. The left-hand screen is running a Metro-style application, and the mouse is on the right-hand screen. If you bring up the Start screen on that right-hand screen, the Metro-style application on the left-hand screen will disappear. Dismiss the Start screen, and the Metro-style application will not reappear. You'll have to poke through the task switcher to get it back.
 
The Metro environment is fundamentally single-screen. All Metro-style applications, including the Start screen itself (though it is not quite an application), have to reside on the same screen. It doesn't matter so much which screen, and you can freely switch, but it has to be the same screen. If you move the Start screen, by invoking it on a different monitor, then every Metro-style application will be moved alongside.
 
Where this gets even stranger is when you have two Metro-style applications visible; one snapped to the screen edge, the other occupying the remainder of the space. Invoking the Start screen on a different monitor will hide both, but when you dismiss the Start screen, the snapped application will be displayed once more. Only the full-size one will be hidden.
 
And this effect is only something that happens when you bring up the Start screen on a different monitor; bring it up on the same monitor as your pair of applications, and the normal, expected behavior occurs. The Start screen hides both apps, but upon dismissing it, both are made visible again.
 
In the Consumer Preview, you could put the cursor at the top edge of a Metro-style app and it would turn into a hand. This allowed you to "pick up" the application and do one of two things: drag it off the bottom of the screen to quit it, or drag it to the edge of the screen to make it do the 320 pixel-wide snap thing. In the Release Preview there is a third option: you can drag it to a different screen. As soon as the cursor hits another screen, the app that you're dragging around will be dropped, and it will display on the new screen. And when you do this in snapped view, with two apps visible, moving one to a different screen will drag the other one along with it, again underscoring Metro's essentially single-screen nature.
 
On top of all this, I have had some issues with the corner traps not actually kicking in. I don't know if it's a Windows problem or a VMware issue or what. VMware Workstation 8 supports multiple monitors in the virtual machine. These are "real" monitors: each shows up as a different device in Device Manager, each gets its own taskbar, and each gets its own set of hot corners. But due to some quirk, either in VMware or Windows 8 or both, those different monitors aren't getting the corner traps. If I run Windows 8 on bare metal, the traps appear correctly; in the virtual machine, they do not.
 
All in all, Windows 8 Release Preview gives a better experience on multimonitor systems, but it's still quite rough. On single monitor systems, the only real difficulty is getting the gestures for the charms and task switcher down pat. Once you have these, the user interface works consistently. On multimonitor systems, there will still be missed gestures that require you to stop and think about what you're doing. The multimonitor experience is less fluid, less predictable, and simply worse than the single-screen equivalent.


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Windows 8 Release Preveiw (Build 8400 discussion)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2012, 05:25:04 PM »
I now have a problem with the Release Preview and it is quite a serious one.

On IE10 desktop, YouTube videos won't load!:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/ie10youtube.png/

How do I solve this issue?



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Windows 8 Release Preveiw (Build 8400 discussion)
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2012, 06:02:54 PM »
Make sure Flash is installed. It should play natively though.



My installation plays Youtube perfectly. and I spend a lot of time on Youtube.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 06:16:08 PM »
It appears when you have Classic Shell installed it disables the Metro UI enabling Desktop view and allowing use of a keyboard and mouse.

To Revert back to the Metro UI move your cursor to the bottom left of your monitor and the start Icon will appear.  However the Snipping Tool doesn't work as long as the Start Icon is visible.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 08:06:58 PM »
There appears to be an issue with the Display Drivers included with W8RP.  Ever since installing the OS my monitor will flicker then once restored I get the message below,



Usually a refresh will restore the screen, but many time the process starts over again.  I am sure once Nvidia releases W8RP drivers this issue will be resolved.

For those of you using ATI graphic cards they have already released W8RP drivers have a look here for links.


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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2012, 03:26:02 PM »
Installed Windows 8. Did an upgrade from Windows 7. Did it from inside Windows as advised by Microsoft. Retained all the files, settings and applications. I have tested a couple of applications like Photoshop and VLC media player. Both work fine. And the Avast anti Virus also.

Of course the installation did take quite some time. ;D

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2012, 06:51:50 PM »
I can do a clean install just fine; I can install to a VHD but on three different machines running Win 7 Ultimate none of those will do an upgrade. All error out at 30%. Any ideas?

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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2012, 12:46:27 AM »
Just installed clean windows 8 to my old work laptop Acer aspire 5110. Had problem with video drivers, but then installed old for windows vista from Acer site. Every time, then I reboot computer I receive error, saying that computer have to reboot, and after reboot I receive message to send error report to Microsoft. I say in 90 % everything work fine.
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2012, 01:10:00 AM »
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Just installed clean windows 8 to my old work laptop Acer aspire 5110. Had problem with video drivers, but then installed old for windows vista from Acer site. Every time, then I reboot computer I receive error, saying that computer have to reboot, and after reboot I receive message to send error report to Microsoft. I say in 90 % everything work fine.
Check the video card manufactures website for drivers.  ATI has release Catalyst drivers and Nvidia will be releasing WHQL Windows 8 Certified drivers very soon.


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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2012, 01:19:57 AM »
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Just installed clean windows 8 to my old work laptop Acer aspire 5110. Had problem with video drivers, but then installed old for windows vista from Acer site. Every time, then I reboot computer I receive error, saying that computer have to reboot, and after reboot I receive message to send error report to Microsoft. I say in 90 % everything work fine.
Check the video card manufactures website for drivers.  ATI has release Catalyst drivers and Nvidia will be releasing WHQL Windows 8 Certified drivers very soon.
AMD are not supporting any more very old video cards like my ATI X1600 mobile, so its problem with new drivers. :-)
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